Protip

"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/13/2015 at 10:35 • Filed to: feminazitookmyicecream

Insulting a car (or any other thing or person!) by referring to it as “girly,” or something similar, and thus perpetuating the misogynist notion that anything associated with femininity is inherently inferior, is sexist as hell.

I’ve heard people excuse this with “I’ll insult my car however I want!” (using my gender as the punchline? how sweet, do you say racist things about it too?) and “Oh you don’t count though, you’re one of the cool ones!” (don’t even get me started on the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! ) and/or “free speech!!” (that’s not how that even works unless you think I’m capable of jailing people).

None of those void the fact that the statement is still sexist as hell, so don’t be surprised if I roll my eyes, judge the hell out of you, and/or give you what-for if I’m in a really shitty mood due to dealing with this (among other things) in a constant tide of bullshit for about 25 years now. My own boss, who is generally a very awesome person, dropped this shit the other day and I gracefully excused myself after he doubled down on it and that used up about all the patience I have for this month.

If you want any of this explained further and can ask without being a jerk, I’ll try to help.

Some freshly washed vehicles that just so happen to belong to this sorority alum for your time:

DISCUSSION (100)

Frenchlicker > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:41

I agree with you on all accounts. Plus I hate how it is basically used at a slur because it makes people ignore awesome things when they are categorized as girly by self entitled ass hats.

Opposite Locksmith > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:43

This post is girly

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:43

We collectively apologize for the dumbassery of our gender.

Sincerely,

Men everywhere.

Santiago of Escuderia Boricua > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:43

Can you call this car girly? http://jalopnik.com/the-honda-fit-…

yamahog > Santiago of Escuderia Boricua
06/13/2015 at 10:45

I can call it a poor decision.

Santiago of Escuderia Boricua > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:45

I mean that’s obvious

Rainbow > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:45

Kinja'd!!!

Ew, that’s so manly.

(But of course, I agree with you 100%)

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:46

Stereotypes exist for a reason. If a certain model of car is owned majority by sorority girls/high school girls as their first car (see also: V6 mustang auto convertible) then saying it’s a “girls car” isn’t sexist, it isn’t oppression, it’s simply acknowledging the demographic of the vehicle. Big whup.

My car is asian as hell.

My other car is a grandparent car.

Oh the misogyny.

It’s bad enough you feel the need to raise a stink in one post, but making a separate post to oppo just to stir shit and raise drama is ridiculous.

yamahog > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
06/13/2015 at 10:47

No worries, men aren’t the only ones who do this stuff, and you don’t have to apologize for anyone else anyway :)

Your boy, BJR > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:47

do you say racist things about it too?

My grandpa refers to my Cadillac as “a Negro’s Car”!

AM > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:49

Psshh yellow Camaro is sooo girly!

Wait! I’m just kidding Yamahog, put down that knife!

Kinja'd!!!

I do agree with you 100% though.

jvirgs drives a Subaru > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:50

Kinja'd!!!

I kinda like the flat black hood.

yamahog > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 10:53

Which I’ll add, allegedly isn’t allowed on Oppo. Along with racist bullshit, among other things.

I’ll say it again: If you want any of this explained further and can ask without being a jerk, I’ll try to help.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:53

Considering I drove a tiny blue car called a Panda I’m not too into the whole girls car, boys car deal. I drive what I like, if it appears “girly” or “gay” meh, it’s my car they don’t have to agree with it.

yamahog > Opposite Locksmith
06/13/2015 at 10:58

This post is apparently needed.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 10:58

Ok, explain how ‘girly’ is implying inferiority? I don’t and have never thought that just because something is ‘girly’ or female-oriented or feminine that it is inferior, just different.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 11:00

Thanks. Not all of us are idiots, but the few that are give all of us a bad name. It’s the same with everything else. The unpleasant experiences tend to stick with us longer than the pleasant ones.

TheHondaBro > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 11:00

When I was looking at Audi TTs, my douchebag friend called them “girly.”

uofime-2 > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 11:01

What do you do to take care of the flat finish on the hood of your car?

Textured Soy Protein > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 11:01

Yo dude, I’mma let you finish...actually I’m not. It seems like all too often you’re posting racist or otherwise totally out of touch shit on here.

You are not old enough to act like Archie Bunker. Quick being a fucking idiot.

Signed,

A Jewish dude who remembers that at some point in the past I had to set your dumb ass straight about some stupid motherfucking comment you made about my religion.

Jayhawk Jake > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 11:03

I’m curious, what’s your opinion of referring to something as ‘compensating’? Is that wrong?

Calling something girly is only offensive if you take offense. A pink Honda Fit would be girly. That’s not to say there’s something wrong with being girly, it’s just an observation: typically females like the color pink more than males, and the nature of the Honda Fit could be described as feminine. I’m not saying that being feminine is BAD, it just is what it is. I would describe a Camaro SS 1LE as masculine, but that doesn’t make it superior to something else, it’s just a trait of the car.

I can’t help but feel like you’re taking offense for the sake of taking offense.

In the original thread I believe there was a reference to making the car more masculine. The owner wants his car to have masculine features because it’s his style, in his eyes that makes it better. In someone else’s eyes that might make it worse.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Textured Soy Protein
06/13/2015 at 11:05

Regardless of anything I said in the past, I have no idea what that has to do with what’s happening now.

And what the actual fuck did I ever say bad about Jewish people anyway? Were you the guy that got his panties knotted up because I said ‘jewfro’?

yamahog > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 11:12

That’s the thing though.

If you are using perceived feminine attributes as an INSULT, as a derogatory term, to express that “car is girly, girly is bad, car is bad” even though you don’t actively think to yourself “women are inferior, just like this car!” that’s still what’s being said.

TheJWT > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 11:14

What pisses me off most is when people shit on convertibles for being “girly”.

fhrblig > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 11:14

When have you ever heard the word ‘girly’ used in reference to a car in a positive way? I haven’t.

yamahog > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 11:15

I personally eyeroll at the “compensating” nonsense as well.

Calling something “girly” as an insult is an insult.

And I personally think that giving cars feminine or masculine attributes at all is silly and entirely based on stereotypes, as you’ve just demonstrated.

Textured Soy Protein > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 11:17

It has to do with the general trend of you saying a bunch of racist, sexist, and generally offensive shit, people calling you out for it, and you not only not understanding why you shouldn’t say what you said, but actively fighting back against people telling you to quit saying the dumb shit you’re saying.

And yes, now that you mention it, the jewfro moment sounds familiar so I searched back and found it .

Let me tell you something. Your scraggly-ass shitty hair is not a jewfro. I had a real jewfro when I was a kid, which I was damn proud of. You as a non-Jew are not entitled to say the word jewfro about yourself or other non-Jews, any more than you as a white person are entitled to call black people the N-word. The fact that your equally ignorant cracker-ass midwestern white idiot friends say jewfro too doesn’t make it acceptable.

What you think was me getting my “panties knotted up” over something you believe is inoffensive is a perfect example of how out of touch you are. Because what you said is offensive, and you as the person saying the offending comment are not a qualified judge of what is or is not offensive.

Maybe you should engage the fucking critical thinking circuits in your brain, if they function at all, and arrive at the conclusion that if people keep getting offended by stupid shit you say, that you need to recalibrate the kind of shit that comes out of your mouth (or is typed by your fingers).

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 11:18

Someone actually got pissed off at the term ‘jewfro’? Man, I know Jewish people who make fun of jewfros. Some people just need to lighten up.

DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
06/13/2015 at 11:19

Funny you say that... According to the most recent research, it takes five positive experiences to neutralize the effect of one negative, so...

We’ve evolved to avoid things that are unpleasant, so it makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 11:19

But... that’s not at all what’s being said. It’s just a attribute of whatever is being described. It’s no more positive or negative in connotation than the color, and entirely a matter of personal choice, regardless of how some people may spin it. And it can be spun. I could spin the color, too.

Your car is yellow, yellow is the color of flame and flame burns me. Your car is bad.

That argument makes about as much sense as saying a car is bad just because it’s “girly”. Who cares about the opinion of people who make arguments like that?

Jay says his car is “a sorority girl’s car” or whatever. Did he say that’s bad? He bought it, didn’t he? Obviously he has nothing against women or ‘girly’ things, so why all of the jumping around yelling about misogyny?

I just don’t understand how someone’s perceived attribute of a car could possibly be oppressive or offensive any more than saying “that car is green”.

yamahog > uofime-2
06/13/2015 at 11:21

It’s a 3M wrap, so just wash as usual (avoiding heavy water pressure and soaps with wax) and dry with microfiber quickly to prevent water spots. You also want to dust the pollen off so people aren’t tempted to draw things on it.... happened to a friend and it wouldn’t come off for anything.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully
06/13/2015 at 11:21

Indeed. For some people it’s less, for some people it’s more. It’s unfortunate how bad experiences can be seared in our memory.

DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
06/13/2015 at 11:22

Eh, unfortunate on one hand, but a damn good survival mechanism on the other.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > fhrblig
06/13/2015 at 11:23

I’m sorry you hang around such shitty people.

yamahog > TheHondaBro
06/13/2015 at 11:24

His loss!

fhrblig > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 11:26

Not going to give an example, huh?

StoneCold > TheJWT
06/13/2015 at 11:27

So much this. Convertibles are great for making legal speeds seem 10x faster and more enjoyable. Plus it evens out the trucker tan XD

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully
06/13/2015 at 11:27

Indeed. Although for me, I tend to make the same stupid mistakes multiple times. Somebody should write a pop-punk song about it.

AM > TheJWT
06/13/2015 at 11:28

Good point. I don’t think I’ve ever actually called a convertible “girly”

Now I do call just about convertible I see things like “dumb” “ugly” “stupid” “garbage” but that’s different.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Textured Soy Protein
06/13/2015 at 11:30

racist, sexist, and generally offensive shit

lol

I searched back and found it

You care far too much about this.

Your scraggly-ass shitty hair is not a jewfro.

Jewish friends of mine consider it a jewfro. And for the record I have incredibly thick soft hair.

cracker-ass midwestern white idiot friends say jewfro too doesn’t make it acceptable

Funny how it’s fine for you to say ‘cracker-ass’. And assume I don’t have Semitic friends.

said is offensive

This is the same shit as “girly”. I have a similar hairstyle to people of Jewish descent, and use the common name for it. Obviously I hate Jews and am as bad as Hitler, despite nothing I have ever said having anything even approaching animosity for any being.

engage the fucking critical thinking circuits in your brain

I never don’t get amused by how worked up people can get by words on the internet.

And yes, people get offended, but even more people don’t get offended, and plenty of people are amused. I’ll go with the amused majority instead of the vocal minority on this one. And common sense.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
06/13/2015 at 11:32

I appreciate this post.

yamahog > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 11:32

He’s hanging around here, sooooo....

I just don’t understand how someone’s perceived attribute of a car could possibly be oppressive or offensive any more than saying “that car is green”.

Really? I’m starting to think you’re being purposefully obtuse here, which I regretfully don’t have much patience for. And I really don’t appreciate your claim that I am “jumping around yelling about misogyny” just by pointing something out. That’s called tone policing, btw.

And since you brought it up, Jay was the person who said he’d insult his car as he damn well pleased. So yes, he did view “sorority girl car” as an insult.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > fhrblig
06/13/2015 at 11:33

Fuck no. I don’t care that much. I suppose you win this pointless internet argument that amounts to nothing, fair stranger.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 11:35

No problem. Some people just get too butthurt over little things.

fhrblig > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 11:35

Um, ok. But you cared enough to start it?

AM > Textured Soy Protein
06/13/2015 at 11:35

The fact that your equally ignorant cracker-ass midwestern white idiot friends say jewfro too doesn’t make it acceptable.

I agreed with you until I got to this part. You say it’s disrespectful to say “jewfro” so what makes you think it okay for you to refer to him and his friends as “crackers” ..I’m sure there are people here who would take offense to that word.

Nothing like the pot calling the kettle black, eh? Racism goes both ways, remember that.

yamahog > AM
06/13/2015 at 11:36

Punching up vs punching down.

Your boy, BJR > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 11:38

Holy fuck that tag hahahahahahahaha

AM > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
06/13/2015 at 11:42

This, exactly this. It really doesn’t matter what you drive as long as you’re happy with it. I’m happy with my Jetta and I’d have to say my wife’s Focus hatchback is more masculine than it. At the end of the day I still love my car and despise hers so who cares.

yamahog > Your boy, BJR
06/13/2015 at 11:43

Have you seen that short? It’s hilarious

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 11:43

Ehh, more like punching down vs. punching out. I know Jewish people who make fun of ‘jewfros,’ and atheists that make fun of ‘I’ll take my opinion and cram it down your throat’ atheists. Heck, I even know farmers in Alberta that make fun of the stampede. The point is, ‘Cracker’ is a more inflammatory term than ‘jewfro.’ One will get you beat up, the other will get you either a talking to, or a laugh.

TheJWT > StoneCold
06/13/2015 at 11:44

Seriously, if you’re not getting something just to track it and you live somewhere that isn’t freezing all the time, why not get a convertible?

TheJWT > AM
06/13/2015 at 11:48

Garbage:

Kinja'd!!!

Perfection:

Kinja'd!!!

Your boy, BJR > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 11:50

I have not.

fhrblig > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
06/13/2015 at 11:51

There’s a lot of fun in messing with people’s preconceived notions about cars. I know that most people pull up to my car expecting a middle-aged woman to be driving, and I love the reaction when they see it’s a bearded guy smoking a cigar. It’s also fun to be driving my parents’ extremely rednecky truck (complete with dents, patina, and lots of NRA stickers) while blasting dance music, or ABBA, or the Carpenters. Which, by the way, my stepdad sometimes does too.

Textured Soy Protein > AM
06/13/2015 at 11:55

I was being intentionally hyperbolic to show my displeasure.

Your boy, BJR > AM
06/13/2015 at 11:57

I honestly find it hard to believe anyone gets truly upset at the term cracker, most of the time, it seems like they’re only feigning offense to cover their own racist cracker ass tracks.

I personally think it's hilarious you jive ass honky.

scoob > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 12:01

Pretty sure the guys that do this are usually those that still have that high school mentality where YOU MUST AT ALL TIMES IMPRESS “BITCHES” AND WORK OUT AND HANG OUT WITH BROS AND USE BRO AS THE EVERY 4TH WORD IN YOUR SENTENCE, BRO.

As for girls saying it, I’ve never heard it. They’ll say “cute”, and that’s fine with me. One thing I didn’t understand is how my sister called a Fiat 500 cute, and a 370Z NISMO cute. Lol.

AM > Your boy, BJR
06/13/2015 at 12:05

With how hostile people are on the Internet, it really wouldn’t suprise if someone got butthurt over being called a turkey.

And if you’re trying to imply that I’m racist you can go fuck yourself because I dont even use derogatory terms when referring to anyone.

AM > Textured Soy Protein
06/13/2015 at 12:09

Fair enough.

Your boy, BJR > AM
06/13/2015 at 12:10

No I’m not implying you are. I’m implying people who claim to be offended by cracker during arguments involving racism are.

Sorry, but for you to claim you’re offended at a “racist term”, I feel like you had to have been actually oppressed and held down by those terms, and no, white guys (the landowning Anglo-Saxon types cracker is directed at) have never one been truly oppressed.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 12:13

It’s okay to not like things. Nobody likes every single possible thing in the world.

However, it’s not okay to ascribe things that you are not to those things.

I have to remember not to punch idiots who will say about things they don’t like “That’s so gay”.

I mean, are you really at a loss of vocabulary that this is what you have to resort to in order to express that *you don’t like something*?

AM > TheJWT
06/13/2015 at 12:13

Mmmm that Aston, it’s even in my favourite colour combo!

Garbage:

Kinja'd!!!

Perfection:

Kinja'd!!!

Nothing against the Camaro, I love it, just looks horrible as a convertible.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 12:16

There’s a reason that Archie Bunker’s Place (and All in the Family) ended by 1983...

AM > Your boy, BJR
06/13/2015 at 12:19

Well I apologize for what I said then, it seemed like that’s what you were implying. I personally have never been offended by terms like cracker and the like because I really don’t see the point in getting worked up over one little word. I do however, as you seen, get offended when I think people are implying I’m guilty of something wen I’m not.

Textured Soy Protein > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 12:20

I called you a cracker to show you what it’s like to be on the receiving end of an offensive comment, not because I think it’s all hunky-dory to call people crackers without provocation.

You don’t get to use the “BUT I HAVE JEWISH FRIENDS” excuse. It doesn’t apply.

Having friends in a particular demographic group who use a term among themselves and with you, that may be derogatory if used by people outside that group, does not give you a pass to use that term whenever you damn well please, outside that circle of people who have deemed it acceptable for you to use that term with them.

I have black friends who I ride around in the car with listening to hip hop. They give me a pass to say the N-word along with the lyrics, in their presence. In no way shape or form does that give me a pass to use the N-word whenever I want, nor does it make “BUT I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS” an acceptable excuse.

There is no amused majority. You’re not that funny. Even if it did exist, that wouldn’t mean the minority group who you are offending does not exist, nor does it invalidate their objections to your use of a term offensive to that minority.

The majority is all the people starring my posts and not yours.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 12:23

So as a metaphor: the house only catches on fire because it allows itself to catch on fire, rather than just letting the gasoline and spark roll off into the yard

I’d like to think that if you don’t like something that you don’t have to resort to calling it “girly” or “gay” or the n-word or .

There are over 1,000,000 words in the English language, and you can’t use more than a few to express the mere fact “that you don’t like something?”

Your boy, BJR > AM
06/13/2015 at 12:27

Nah we good. I saw how it could be mistaken for an implication, which is why I explained what i meant instead of getting all ‘no fuck YOU’

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > fhrblig
06/13/2015 at 12:27

I look at something like the New Beetle. A new beetle in that light green color with flower stickers and light covers is not very masculine. Its a girly car but! Theres nothing wrong with that. Its just not associated with many male drivers

Jayhawk Jake > Textured Soy Protein
06/13/2015 at 12:30

Saying ‘Jewfro’ is ‘our term’ is such a ridiculously offensive statement I can’t even. The fact that you even began to compare it to the N word, a word so offensive you can't even say it, is insanity.

I'm Jewish, I've had a Jewfro my whole life. I've never been offended by someone calling it a Jew fro, that's just what it is. And if I was offended by it I would be equally offended by another Jew saying it.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > AM
06/13/2015 at 12:31

Can confirm on the Camaro’s looks as a convertible (Had one as an Avis rental at YYZ this week). I don’t find it personally appealing. Also, it can be hard to see out the back.

I didn’t much care for the way it drove (felt larger than it was), but some people are OK with how GM built it (I mean, they are selling them).

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 12:32

Hmm once again I am too late to the party.

AM > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
06/13/2015 at 12:36

For how much the Camaro gets ragged on, Chevy sure does manage to sell a ton of them. As for the car feeling bigger than it is, I hope that’s fixed for the 6th gen (which I assume it has been).

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 12:37

Kinja'd!!!

There are plenty of ways in English to express your dislike of something without needing to resort to ethnic or trait based insults.

Jayhawk Jake > TheJWT
06/13/2015 at 12:38

That top car is girly.

Sorry, that's offensive. Feminine? It has feminine features. Not my cup of tea, but it's not bad because it's girly, it just is girly. It's bright green and round, in my mind that's feminine.

Textured Soy Protein > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 12:38

The point, originally, was not that “jewfro” is offensive in and of itself, it was that he was talking about all the many Jewish jokes that get made about him and by him when he is not Jewish.

I’m also not saying “jewfro” is as bad as the N-word. I was using that as a different example of my logic that just because a small group of people allow you to say something to them that might be considered offensive out in public, does not give permission to say that thing in public.

I will admit, having grown up in an area that had a huge Jewish population and now living in the Midwest where I’m often the only Jew a person has met, that I’m sensitive about when people casually make Jewish jokes, particularly of the “I got Jewed” variety.

But I really didn’t want to make this about “jewfro.” More that “jewfro” is one small example of many where this dude is completely out of touch.

jariten1781 > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 12:39

Don’t agree that it’s a huge offense, but I have enough empathy that I consciously try to avoid doing it. Even if there is no denigration intended (or in my opinion involved) it still kills conversations and makes other people feel bad which may mean you’re an asshole, if not necessarily a misogynist.

Frankly, I put it in the same category as the #1 rule: “Don’t be a ‘derogatory use of euphemism for male genitalia’”. Or using ‘pussy’/’prick’/’fag’/’retard’(well the last two have moved to a Ministry of Truth banning for the most part now)/etc. as an insult. I get the reasons and I consciously don’t use the terms because I’m not an asshole and I have empathy for the people they bother, but in the time from I was 8 until around when I graduated from college more than a decade ago they were in constant rotation in my vocab without intending insult to anyone but whom they were directed. Ex: If I called someone a ‘pussy’ because they wouldn’t go off the high dive or whatever, I was intending to shame them, not by assigning female stereotypical traits (I’d never even really contemplated the root of the word), but because in common use the word meant ‘someone who is overly cautious to the point of being a bummer’. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt when I hear them today that they’re in that same place.

As a side note, ‘freedom of speech’ or ‘freedom of expression’ as a concept extends beyond governmental protections of free speech (ie the first amendment). I’m not sure why the internet has gotten all high and mighty with their nose turned up when people imply it. Hell, even Randall Munroe jumped on the band wagon and he’s usually pretty savvy. Whenever the health of an organization or relationship is assessed, one of the first things done is to see how open and honest the communication is...that’s a discussion of free speech on a micro-level. Doesn’t really mean that proclaiming it is a good way to win an argument (in fact it’s awful) but it’s long...like thousands of years... been used as a concept in non-governmental debate (the technical term is parrhesia, but it’s what people mean when they say ‘free speech’ outside governmental influence).

AdverseMartyr > AM
06/13/2015 at 12:39

Hey, I just bought a 1980 Mercedes convertible. Don’t insult it! ;)

Jayhawk Jake > Textured Soy Protein
06/13/2015 at 12:43

Jewfro is only offensive if you chose to take offense to it.

Sorry, but it’s not a derogatory term. At least in my experience. I’ve never met someone who didn’t like my hair, and that’s saying something because otherwise I’m a fat and generally unattractive man. My hair happens to be a Jewfro.

I agree about the ‘jewed’ term, that’s fucking offensive. But jumping down someone’s throat over Jewfro is as ridiculous as posting to oppo about a car being called ‘girly’

AM > AdverseMartyr
06/13/2015 at 12:45

One does not insult a 1980 Mercedes convertible. Ever.

I mainly insult cars that have no business being convertibles because they look bad (Camaro, Mustang, Murano, last gen Chrysler 200).

TheJWT > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 12:49

Feminine features? It’s a car.

And I could go on and on with examples of bright green Lamborghinis and “round” sports cars from the 50s and 60s. The Citroen Pluriel is a shitty car for no other reason than the fact that it’s just plain shitty.

Jayhawk Jake > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
06/13/2015 at 12:51

‘Girly’ is only offensive if you take offense to it. Some people like girly things. There’s nothing wrong with it.

Scenario: you are a young woman in high school. You like pink, you love flowers, and your parents fulfilled your dreams and bought you a bright yellow Beetle. You put a flower sticker on the rear window and love the car to death.

Someone approaches you about the car and says ‘that’s so girly’. He says it with some stank as if he’s trying to insult you. You have two options here: get pissed because he’s trying to insult you and rant about him calling your car girly as if it’s a bad thing, or brush it off and say ‘yeah, it is, and I like it because of it!’

In this scenario if you chose the latter you weren't offended, and it's because you chose not to be. You embraced your preferences and are the better person for it.

Textured Soy Protein > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 12:53

Hell, when I had a jewfro, that’s what I called it too. In the scheme of things which raise my hackles, it is incredibly minor.

The overall context to my offense was basically, dude who has said a bunch of dumb shit before, starts saying “lol look at my curly hair I have a Jewfro lol I make so many Jewish jokes” when it is not even close to a proper Jewfro and he is not Jewish.

But dude has said way worse shit on a regular basis. That’s really what I’m calling him out for, not the silly jewfro comment.

Jayhawk Jake > TheJWT
06/13/2015 at 12:56

It’s a car with feminine features. Sorry if you find that offensive, but that’s what it is.

You assumed I meant it was bad that it was feminine with your second paragraph, but I explicitly said it’s not bad because of its feminine looks.

Other round cars can be feminine too. A previous gen new beetle is feminine. A Nissan micra is feminine. A Mitsubishi Mirage is feminine. I don't say that to insult the cars, it's just an observation.

fhrblig > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 13:05

I guess I don’t really understand your willingness to let the person intending the insult off the hook. After all, they are still trying to deliberately hurt someone. Just because the target brushes it off doesn’t mean it’s ok.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 13:07

Kinja'd!!!

FZ6 FTW! (kinda wish i didn’t sell mine now)

Jayhawk Jake > fhrblig
06/13/2015 at 13:10

Because their failure to cause harm is sufficient protest.

It’s the ‘I’m rubber you’re glue’ mantra. You take the power away from them. They’re still a dick, but now they’re a failure too.

yamahog > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 13:12

My decision on how to react doesn’t change the fact that the statement is sexist. End of story. You’re trying to shift the responsibility here and it really doesn’t make sense.

I actually had a pink car, BTW My dad drove it before I got my license, and a male cousin drove it after I left for college. Really not a big deal, nor a statement about masculinity.

fhrblig > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 13:14

I get what you’re saying, I just don’t buy it. Too many people stand by and do nothing when people are being crappy to other people. Blaming the victim for getting upset when someone deliberately set out to upset them isn’t ok in my book.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > yamahog
06/13/2015 at 13:14

People call my truck girly often, I don’t mind. I sure hope I meet a woman who has similar taste and interests as me, haha.

But really tho, it’s 2015. Come on people.

I know you said to not bring up the “cool girl” thing, but I find it interesting that some men like to call a woman who has similar interests, hobbies, etc. as them, “one of the guys.” Especially if you’re hetereosexual, shouldn’t you want to actively seek out a woman who shares these qualities, maybe date her? Personally, I think men who are particularly weak see women who share “manly” traits or hobbies as an attack on their masculinity and try to desexualize them as quickly as possible or even use it as a way to control close female friends.

As a woman, what is your perspective?

yamahog > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 13:16

It’s bright green and round, in my mind that’s feminine.

That says more about your mind than anything else...

Also, as I said in literally the first sentence, the issue is using girly as an insult.

yamahog > fhrblig
06/13/2015 at 13:18

Similarly, I love pulling up to a red light with crackly exhaust and some Spice Girls blasting.

SlickMcRick > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 13:22

I must agree with this statement. Some cars have feminine and masculine features. It’s as simple as that. To me curves look feminine and sharper and more flat surfaces look masculine. Just my personal opinion. There’s nothing wrong with either description. I felt my ‘13 Civic had feminine qualities so I named her Natasha aka Black Widow.

yamahog > jariten1781
06/13/2015 at 13:28

Yea, in the grand scheme of sexist crap I’ve personally dealt with and racism/transphobia/other awful things I see my friends deal with, it’s not the biggest offense. It’s just come up multiple times in the past week, both on Oppo and IRL, and wanted to say my bit.

You’re spot-on in the rest of it, though. If someone drops “pussy” or “fag” at work, really not much I can do.

TheJWT > Jayhawk Jake
06/13/2015 at 13:44

We’re not going to agree with each other anytime soon, so to each their own.

Xyl0c41n3 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
06/13/2015 at 13:55

“Panties knotted up”

That’s a gender-based insult right there. That you’re applying it to a user who is male is even worse. You’re doing exactly what Yama is describing here by calling or implying that AtlasM is girly and somehow inferior. Do you not see that? And as for what AtlasM’s comment has to do with right now: everything. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you interact with people on here without insulting or demeaning them somehow.

Xyl0c41n3 > Textured Soy Protein
06/13/2015 at 14:02

This is why I love you! Preach, Atlas!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma
06/13/2015 at 14:39

So a truck that Spec Ops uses is girly? K.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Xyl0c41n3
06/13/2015 at 14:52

Probably because you only seem to appear where shit has been stirred about how misogynistic something me or another user has posted.

crowmolly > fhrblig
06/13/2015 at 14:57

Exactly. I have *never* seen it used as anything other than a put-down.